"Zaćmienie" - wasze spekulacje, oczekiwania, dysku

Bardzo mi się podoba to zdjęcie :)

Wszystko fajnie, super. Mam wrażenie, że się nie zawiodę. Jak na razie przymykam oko, że niektóre rzeczy mogą być inne niż w książce [do tego się już przyzwyczaiłam w poprzednich częściach]. Denerwuje mnie jak na razie tylko jedna rzecz, a mianowicie Jacob był wysoki, bardzo wysoki, a jak patrzę na te zdjęcia to Jake jest niewiele wyższy od Belli [która była niska] oraz niższy od Edwarda.

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No cóż, Taylor nie jest za wysoki więc dlatego ta różnica wzrostu tak się rzuca w oczy. Sprawia to dziwne wrażenie jeśli weźmie się pod uwagę opis Jacoba, ale idzie się przyzwyczaić. Nie wszystko w filmie zgadza się z książką...

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No, nie wiadomo, bo Kristen stwierdziła,że dziwnie jej się całowało Taylora - Jacoba. Jakby robiła coś czego nie powinna. Za bardzo się wczuła w rolę Belli, albo jednak nie za bardzo. Bo Bella w momencie pocałunku była całkowicie oddana Jacobowi. Mam nadzieję, że Kristen tego nie zepsuła. Oto powód dla którego, nie powinno być życiowych par na planie filmowym. Bo chłopak czekający na aktorkę w domu, to co innego, niż ewentualny chłopak czekający w autobusiku, by zaraz wkroczyć do akcji filmu.

Chciałam się jeszcze przez chwile odnieść do tej wypowiedzi...
Nie wydaje mi się, by na to, czy Kristen wczuła sie w rolę lub nie, miał wpływ jej domniemany życiowy partner Laughing

Raczej obstawiałabym tu wpływ relacji między Taylorem a Kristen. Ona niejednokrotnie podkreślała, że traktuje Tay'a jak młodszego brata i być może dlatego dziwnie jej się go całowało. Zgadzam się jednak, że w trakcie kręcenie sceny i w odbiorze jej przez widzow nie powinno miec to żadnego znaczenia. Kristen powinna umieć oddzielić jej stosunek do Taylora, a relacje między Jacobem i Bellą. Nawet jeśli jej rzekomy facet czeka obok Wink

A jeśli tego nie potrafi to chyba tylko i wyłącznie jej problem...

Podobno jednak jej pocałunki, zarówno z Edwardem jak i Jacobem są hot więc nie ma się co martwić Laughing

Ale to pewnie zależy od punktu widzenia.

Odliczam dni do premiery Wink

i mam nadzieję że będzie scena jak Jacob, Edward i Bella śpią razem w namiocie :) będzie śmieszny i jakoś najbardziej utkwił mi w głowie Wink

A co do sceny pocałunku będzie ona pewnie tak nagrana że nawet się nie zorientujemy co tak naprawdę myśli sobie Kristen... Wink

UWAGA GRUBY SPOILER

Person's review of Eclipse, mostly Bella and Jacob spoilers
One major opinion... *SPOLER ALERT*

Jacob and Bella's kiss was so much more intense than any Edward and Bella kisses. Almost made me go full on Team Jacob. ALMOST not quite. The leg hitch was enough to keep me Team Switz.

HAHA ask all you want! The Jacob and Bella kiss was basically the same as in the book. But this time Bella runs after Jacob when he overhears Edward talking.... Edward calls her MRS. CULLEN!!!!!! Anyway, Edward grabs her arm to stop her, but she is p***** at him. She yells at him to stop and she runs after Jacob. She's crying and it's soooo sad. She asks him to kiss her, he immediately takes her in his arms and kisses her. The shot goes to Edward's face after a few seconds. He looks a little upset, but that's all. Bella looks more upset than him when it's over. They talk, and he's not mad at all.

The "goodbye" scene with Jacob and Bella is basically exactly like in the book. A lot of the same lines. Even Bella's "Should I come back?" and Jacob says he needs time. Then he says he will always be waiting for her to change her mind. And she says "Until my heart stops beating." And his famous last words were "Maybe even then."

Their first kiss was weird, but it was meant to be. It was a lot like the book. Bella didn't do anything and when jacob was done she punched him, but he didn't move. She spun around cradling her hand.

OH and for all you Jacob fans... when Jacob gets hurt at the end of the fight we see a naked jacob!!! OBVIOUSLY we don't SEE anything because he's curled in a ball, but yea, nakey Jacob!

Yes, very true! Jacob and Bella kiss... like she asks him as she's crying; he wrapps his arms around her and she's got hers around him. They kiss.... and kiss.... and kiss some more! And he even whispers "That should have been our first kiss." HOTTTTT!!!

Ok, first, sadly, no. They didn't show Bella imagining the a family with Jacob. It was in the script, but I do wish it was in there.

There really did! I mean just about everything. Bella and Charlie's "talk" was hysterical. I couldn't stop laughing.

Emmett was even more funny than he was in New Moon. I love his reaction to seeing Carlisle wrapping Bella's hand. "Trying to walk and chew gum at the same time, Bella?"
"No, Emmett, I punched a werewolf."
"Bad ass! You're going to be one tough little newborn."
"I'll be strong enough to take you down."

Then Rosalie got all mad and walked out on the porch. That's when Bella follows her out there and Rosalie tells Bella her story.

lol yup!!! They kept SOOO much from the books. There is even the part where Bella sneaks off to go see Jacob, but Edward broke her truck

Yea, but she didn't do it because she was MAD at Edward. It's the scene where they're back in school after Bella and Edward visit Renee in Florida. Jacob makes Bella aware that she was lied to by Edward and she's not happy about that. She goes towards Jacob because she wants to talk to him. I mean, yea, she's mad at Edward for lying to her, but she also wants to talk to Jacob about it. She gets on the back of Jacob's bike and tells Edward he shouldn't havie lied to her. Then Jacob tells her to hang on tight lol.

The tent scene was great!! Again, it was a lot like the book. But Edward doesn't tell him to go fetch a space heater lol. Edward tells him no, and Jacob says she's going to want her toes [or something along those lines]. Then Jacob moves towards Bella and Edward grabs him. Jacob says, "Get your hands off me." Edward replies, "Keep your hands off her." Jacob then says something like it's going to be on Edward's shoulders if she gets sick. The camera cuts to Bella shivering and her eyes are closed. Edward nods letting him go to her. Jacob, very sexily, pulls away the sleeping bag and [hips first] slids in right behind Bella. He looked up at Edward and smirked. Then told Bella, "You know, you'd warm up faster if you took your clothes off." But yes, Jacob and Edward talk like they do in the book. Obviously it's shortened, but they talk about what if Bella chose Jacob. And Edward said he would let her go. Then at the end of the conversation Jacob says the lines that were in the book, that if they weren't mortal enemies he would probably like him. Then he thought about it and said, "No, not even then." Edward smiled at him. During their talk the camera flashed to Bella and sometimes her eyes would be closed, other times she would open them a little and close them quickly.

Yes, Jacob shows up at the party and Bella goes up to tell him her right hook was un-inviting him. He said he had something for her and he dangled the bracelet infront of her. He says he made it and she is in awe over it. Later on when Bella and Edward are walking up to his room for the night [alone], he just suddently hooks the heart in place. He said she should have a part of him with her, too. She says it's pretty and then they walk into the bedroom. That's about it for that scene.

czyli tak jak mówiłam, Team Jacob - czy oni na głowę upadli?
tak tylko pytam....

scully napisał:

czyli tak jak mówiłam, Team Jacob - czy oni na głowę upadli?
tak tylko pytam....

No chyba upadli i jak widać jest to przypadłość nieuleczalna. Na najlepszej drodze do schrzanienia BD. Kto wie, skoro tak uwielbiają Jacoba, to może jeszcze zrobią z niego tatusia Nessie w 4 części? W końcu skoro związek J&B jest wg filmów taki hot, to nie ma bata żeby dzieci z tego nie było Laughing

Chyba zacznę shippować żeby Rob wycofał się w tej całej sagi Wink

Tak tylko mówię...

ale tak z drugiej strony t tych "Spoilerów" będzie pewnie jeszcze sporo, a każdy widzi wszystko inaczej więc nie ma co panikować tylko trzeba się samemu przekonać.
Chociaż nie powiem żeby podobała mi się taktyka Summitu, biorąc pod uwagę wczorajszo/dzisiejsze wieści o konferencji prasowej z udziałem tylko Taylora i Kristen, kiedy Rob jest na wyciągnięcie ręki w LA... To jakoś tak wszystko grubymi nićmi szyte. Ale pożyjemy, zobaczymy.

Shit, no tak Team Jacob. Do jasnej cholery Summit powinien być Szwajcarią, jeśli chodzi o te sprawy xD Wszystko wskazuje na to, że po filmie będę nieźle wkurzona. Chociaż, może to jest tylko na podgrzanie emocji? Hmm... Zaćmienie w końcu było nieźle zakręcone.

Team Jacob- nie błagam was!
Zgadzam się Summit naprawde powinien być Szwajcarja!!
jak tak można... ale kurczę mam nadzieję ze jakos zrobia tak żeby się to kupy trzymało wszystko żebym nie musiała się denerwować po wyjściu z kina!

TO TERAZ KOLEJNY SPOILER I TUTAJ MACIE INNY PUNKT WIDZENIA :)

I absolutely, positively loved Eclipse more than New Moon and even more than Twilight. It was that good! Yeah, there were a few moments where you could tell that they hadn't quite finished, but all in all amazing. At one point, 2 of the wolves were still in cartoon form....to be filled in later, but that was really the only obvious sign that it was a work in progress.

Rob was gorgeous in Eclipse. He is much happier, less angsty. There were a lot of really really close up shots of his face....*sigh*, but Kassie pointed out that you could kinda see the make-up more. He wardrobe was hotter and more casual....I really hated that suit in New Moon.

His eyes eyes look gold in this pic, but I am sure they were black with thirst in this part of the movie.

Kristen was really great. I thought she was less twitchy. The wig had it's good moments and bad moments. If she kinda had her hair swooped to the side off her forehead, it looked natural, but when it was parted down the middle, it looked very wiggy.

Taylor....is it possible that his abs got bigger, better and tighter? Holy hotness Batman!!! I'm not team Jacob, but man did Taylor look good. I think you guys will love his one liners, a little preview for Breaking Dawn. The tension between Jacob and Edward is really really there, and brings out some great lines from both Taylor and Rob!

The Cullens - Rosalie, Alice, and Esme looked much better, and very bad ass in the fight scene. Emmett looked hot as usual and he had some great one liners, but Carlisles hair was a bit of a hair helmet. I loved Jasper, despite his hideous hair, because that cute little Southern drawl made up for the bad hair and Jasper had a lot more to say in this movie!

Riley is totally hot, but Victoria is not. I miss Rachelle. Dallas Bryce-Howard doesn't quite pull of bad-ass as well as Rachelle.

Highlights from Eclipse

-First of all, Eclipse has way more LOL moments than either of the other 2 movies combined.
-Definitely some hot and heavy making out with Edward and Bella. Me likey!
-Edward totally goes off on Jacob after he kisses Bella and she breaks her hand. Like he is really pissed! Not the angry, but still very calm Edward in the book. Really pissed off, yelling at Jacob, Edward. I ♥♥♥♥ angry Rob! He's so freaking hot!
-The proposal included hot and heavy making out, the leg hitch (YEAH BABY!!!!!) and a very, very, (like brings tears to your eyes!) emotional Edward asking Bella to marry him. AWWWWWWWW!!!!!!! It was really sweet. The best line here is after Edward thwarts Bella's advances, and she's like saying, you don't want me, and Edward is like, "Bella, believe me, I WANT TO" GAH! You just gotta love the way Rob delivers that line!!!!
-The tent scene is basically what it is in the book. I don't think you'll be disappointed. The only thing that is missing, which I would have loved to have in the movie, was Edward unzipping the sleeping bag and Jacob falling out on the cold floor of the tent.
-The fight scene is kick-ass! I know it wasn't totally done and fine-tuned yet, but you will love it. Everyone in the theater went "oooooh!" during the fight.
-Jasper telling Bella his backstory! You will love Jasper's accent, and he is cute as hell in the flashbacks. Then after he comes back to the present, he and Alice share a cute little lovey dovey kissy moment. :) Yay!
-You will love Rosalie when she comes after Royce in her wedding dress with her red eyes and maniacal look on her face.
- Edward and Bella look friggin adorable in those ugly yellow caps and gowns. For Bella it might have something to do with the fact that her wig is hidden. For Edward, it might just be because he is effing gorgeous....ALWAYS!
- The party is in the movie, but seemed really short to me, compared to the book.
- Seth is the CUTEST wolf ever!!!!! (Sorry Jacob!)

to już mi znacznie bardziej odpowiada, może trzeba te wszystkie reviewy połączyć w jedną całość i wtedy nam prawda wyjdzie?

Oh wow, lovely Laughing

Dla mnie te filmy już dawno są skończone, jedyna scena na jaką czekam to plaża w BD ze względu na Roba, który zgarnie kasę prawie się nie wysilając. Przypudrują go raz czy dwa, należycie wyphotoshopują, gra aktorska Berta na odwal się i jesteśmy zrobieni.
Team Robert/Edek, mamy scenę z objęciem nogami, dobra nasza. A jak chcecie ostrego Pattza, to nie ta furtka :)

The Twilight Saga: Eclipse
Series’ become tougher and tougher for non-fans the longer the series persists. Those who are not embedded in a phenomenon tend to be looking for something that builds on the prior installments while still giving viewers something that feels new, if not entirely familiar. So, for example, with “Twilight” (reviewed at: [link widoczny dla zalogowanych] ) the pressure on filmmakers was to please fans and get an audience who had not read any of the books intrigued in the story and characters. With “New Moon” (reviewed at: [link widoczny dla zalogowanych] ) the pressure was to retain the audience and not simply repeat the teen melodrama aspects and allow the audience to feel like the story was actually going somewhere. They largely succeeded. With “Eclipse,” the third installment in the “Twilight Saga,” the stakes are raised, especially for those who are not already glued to the series.

For that audience, the fear has to be that “Eclipse” will simply be a repetition of the two prior installments and will be more teen melodrama than anything else. After all, in “The Twilight Saga,” there is a romance to vampires and werewolves and much of Kristen Stewart’s acting involves alternately looking moon-eyed and falling down. With “Eclipse,” the formula is broken and the film fearlessly illustrates what it only implied in “New Moon,” that most vampires are actually angry and quite evil. While “New Moon” had the carnage off-screen, “Eclipse” illustrates it and the conflict becomes more than just a teenage “I love him,” “no, I love the other guy,” “no, I love the first guy more” story. And it is bound to be well-received by the fans. It was well-received by this non-fan.

Bella Swan and Edward Cullen have made it to Senior year of high school and as their relationship is deepening, Bella is applying to colleges and Edward decides to go through the motions of going to college to be with her and applies as well. But in nearby Seattle, Washington, there have been killings which Jacob knows are the work of vampires. Bella, despite Edward’s dislike of Jacob, continues to visit Jacob and with Jacob’s werewolf clan moves to deal with the vampires, Jacob becomes more protective of his best friend. When Edward and the Cullens are given proof that the problems in Seattle are the works of vampires, Alice sees the menace coming to Forks and the Cullens are forced to flee.

With an army of vampires descending upon Forks, Bella, Edward and Jacob flee in order to protect Bella as she appears to be the target of the rage of the vampires. With the attack imminent, the Cullen family joins forces with the werewolves in order to prevent the slaughter of humans and the exposure of both supernatural communities.

The nicest thing about “Eclipse” is that while the characters seem largely the same in the film, the plot has an almost constant sense of movement and the film feels like it is going somewhere. And where it goes is worth the wait. The key to who is behind the army of vampires and why makes perfect sense and the emotional resonance carries back to the final scene of “Twilight,” which works for those who have seen the prior installments. For those who have not seen “Twilight,” the motivations for Victoria are repeated enough so that she seems like a reasonable villain. Newbie viewers are more likely to be lost by the appearance of Jane and the Volturi than Victoria and her arc.

On the subject of Victoria, Bryce Dallas Howard steps into the role beautifully and while fans might miss Rachel Lefevre, Howard does a good job of playing Victoria as both harsh and wounded. In fact, I didn’t even notice the recasting until the credits, that is how flawlessly Howard assumes the looks and mannerisms of Victoria as characterized by Lefevre.

On the character front, “Eclipse” does a decent job of progressing Bella, Edward and Jacob, though it narrowly misses recreating the sense of watching the same ridiculous love triangle in the prior film. The movie works in this regard because it leaves the characters with a much more firm sense of who each of the principles are and what direction they are headed in. Bella manages to swoon more for Edward and the resulting decisions she makes feel much more organic than simply having to choose between the two lead hunks. The result is that “Eclipse” will probably replay better than “New Moon” for those who are not looking at the series for the teenage romance aspect.

As far as performances go, Ashley Greene continues to steal her scenes as Alice Cullen, the vampire who is able to see the future (except when it is most useful). Fortunately, her vision is explained and explored more in this movie, as is Jasper’s twitchiness. Jackson Rathbone has played Jasper as twitchy and dark and in “Eclipse” he is given the chance to steal a scene or two for more than just chill factor. He portrays Jasper in a more adult fashion and when Jasper begins to take a leadership role in the planning of the combat, it is Rathbone’s performance which sells it.

The leading men do what they have done before, so there are no surprises from Robert Pattinson (Edward), Taylor Lautner (Jacob), Billy Burke (Charlie, Bella’s father) or Peter Facinelli (Carlisle Cullen). Facinelli deserves a special note in that his role as the Cullen patriarch is given more importance in “Eclipse” and Facinelli makes good use of the screentime. His trick is to both provide a level of consistency and to make quiet scenes where Carlisle provides deeply human wisdom seem inhuman and Facinelli nails it.

Kristen Stewart continues to do a decent job of balancing Bella’s role as damsel in distress and normal teenage girl. In “Eclipse,” the role is a bit more physical for her and she seems up to the task. Waifish girls everywhere have a new role model in Stewart’s Swan and she plays off Pattinson well, so at the very least the film portrays a very real sense of sexual chemistry.

Finally, while “New Moon” had some morph effects which were not ideal (notably with werewolf transformations), “Eclipse” has the kinks worked out. The special effects are amazing and adult audiences are likely only to be disappointed in that they do not go far enough. The climactic battle has startlingly little blood for a conflict of its magnitude and those looking at this for an adult sense of realism are likely to be a little let down.

But those looking for something new to swoon about in Forks, Washington, where vampires and werewolves are real and they are all interested in teenagers, “Eclipse” is something to rave about. [color=indigo][/color]

jeszcze jedna opinia Very Happy

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Oh wow, lovely Laughing

Dla mnie te filmy już dawno są skończone, jedyna scena na jaką czekam to plaża w BD ze względu na Roba, który zgarnie kasę prawie się nie wysilając. Przypudrują go raz czy dwa, należycie wyphotoshopują, gra aktorska Berta na odwal się i jesteśmy zrobieni.
Team Robert/Edek, mamy scenę z objęciem nogami, dobra nasza. A jak chcecie ostrego Pattza, to nie ta furtka :)

zapomnij o plaży Wink

nie ma takiej opcji można marzyć i śnić a i tak jedno wielkie G zobaczymy.

Ostrego Roba to dopiero w BA zobaczymy bo póki co wszędzie jest tak samo słaby - i to jest moje skromne zdanie. Niczym się nie różni w swoich rolach wszędzie ma minę cierpiętnika (chęć pożarcia Belli czy chęć uprawiania miłości z Ally nie stanowi dla mnie żadnej różnicy jeśli chodzi o jego mimikę)- co nie zmienia faktu, że lubię chłopaka.

co do opinii, to tak jak widać każdy ma inne odczucia i tak to pewnie jeszcze tysiąc razy montować będą zanim wyjdzie z tego w miarę przyzwoita całość.
Cieszy mnie też fakt, że zostało 50 dni do premiery filmu, a mamy dopiero 2 zwiastuny i nic ponad to.
Więc albo nie będą już walić urywkami jak przy NM, albo walną grubą porcję na kilka dni przed premierą :D

Nie wiem czemu uważacie, że film zrobiono pod Team Jacob, do której zresztą się zaliczam. Opis sceny namiotowej, był taki jak w książce. Nic nie umniejszono przy tym w roli Edwarda.
Mi ten opis daje nadzieję, że będzie tak jak trzeba i być powinno. Oby tylko przy montażu nie zmienili za dużo. To dla mnie najlepsza i najgorętsza książka z sagi i oby taki był film. A Jacob po prostu był świetny w tej części, miał dobre teksty i z Bellą i z Edwardem. Napięcie i atmosfera sięgały zenitu i z tego, co dzięki wam tu przeczytałam jest szansa, że w filmie to poczujemy.

liczę na to, że eclipse będzie filmem,po którym powiem 'wow'. twilight i new moon nie zachwyciły mnie niestety...
mam nadzieję, że w końcu poprawi się gra aktorska Kristen i Roba. tzn, przede wszystkim ich gra. i mam nadzieję, że reżyserzy nie odmówią nam radości oglądania sceny namiotowej i sceny kiedy Edward i Bella są sami w domu Cullenów Wink

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czekam niecierpliwie na tą część, a w sumie to już niedługo Wink

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Wszystko super fajnie... W końcu nigdy dość buziaków w wykonaniu Belli i Eddiego, ale... Czy znowu pokażą nam wszystkie ich fajniejsze momenty przed filmem, podczas gdy z podobnych scen z udziałem Jacoba i Belli nie ma praktycznie nic? Ej, to ja tak nie chcę! Wink

Czyżby pocałunki Jacoba i Belli miały być gwoździem programu? Protestuję! Laughing

A ja się bardzo cieszę. Już gdzieś pisałam, że dla mnie Zaćmienie to historia miłości Belli i Jacoba. Edward jest oczywiście świetny, ale Jacob bardziej przypadł mi do gustu. Poza tym to właśnie pomiędzy nim a Bellą widzę prawdziwą chemię na ekranie. Mam więc nadzieję, że spoiler zamieszczony przez Scully w 100 procentach pokrywa się z prawdą :)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG6Mv9K7NTw&feature=player_embedded - nowy clip

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OMFG! Badward to jest to, czego mi było trzeba Very Happy

I kochany, poczciwy Charlie.

No oba filmik super:) juz naprawde nie mogę się doczekać mogliby już w mojej mieścinie sprzedawać bilety jeszcze ponad miesiąc...
Edward wygląda w tej scenia super taki groźny aż wygląda odrazu bardziej sexy :)

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dziołszki, omg

i like it hahaha

Fajnie wiedzieć o czym są te sceny. Przynajmniej to utwierdza mnie w przekonaniu, żeby tego nie oglądać. I wam też radzę, jeżeli wam zależy na niespodziance w kinie. Wink

Aż mnie skręca, ale mam nadzieję, że wytrzymam.
I jeszcze jedno: jestem wściekła, bo kto to widziała od razu z takimi scenami 47 dni przed premierą wylatywać! Coś mi się wydaje, że będzie to samo co z NM. Shame on me. :(